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	<description>Peter Sagal is an author, playwright, screenwriter, essayist and the host of NPR's Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me.</description>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11786</link>
		<author>JP</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow this thread is still alive.  I reread my posts, Joe, and I don't see where I asked "where are the term papers...etc."  I never said anything about Obama's law school records was being supressed, that was someone else--at least I don't think I did.  If you find it, tell me which comment it's in, and I'll comment on what I was trying to say.

But I did make the statement about Bush with a straight face, and I can't believe you disagree, with a straight face.  

There is no agreement on a definition of intelligence, but if you think it's possible for someone who does not have a sharp, active, highly capable intellect to graduate from an Ivy League school, manage the demands of being a state governor and a president, be successful in business, etc. then you have a pretty warped definition of intelligence.

I agree he is a lousy speaker, and says some pretty silly things.  Oratorial skill is not proof of a lack of intelligence.  Is Joe Biden an "idiot" because he asked a paraplegic man to "stand up"?  

The point was that Obama's so called intelligence was not a reason to vote for him.  Intelligence can be an asset to a leader; to someone who is a poor leader, all the intelligence in the world will not save him or her.  The fawning over Obama's intelligence, to me, smacks of a voter sentiment bent on retribution for the 2000 election.  There is talk that this election has become a referendum on Obama.  I think a significant portion of this election is an angry attempt at retribution for 2000, and an expression of hatred toward Bush...having nothing to do with either candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this thread is still alive.  I reread my posts, Joe, and I don&#8217;t see where I asked &#8220;where are the term papers&#8230;etc.&#8221;  I never said anything about Obama&#8217;s law school records was being supressed, that was someone else&#8211;at least I don&#8217;t think I did.  If you find it, tell me which comment it&#8217;s in, and I&#8217;ll comment on what I was trying to say.</p>
<p>But I did make the statement about Bush with a straight face, and I can&#8217;t believe you disagree, with a straight face.  </p>
<p>There is no agreement on a definition of intelligence, but if you think it&#8217;s possible for someone who does not have a sharp, active, highly capable intellect to graduate from an Ivy League school, manage the demands of being a state governor and a president, be successful in business, etc. then you have a pretty warped definition of intelligence.</p>
<p>I agree he is a lousy speaker, and says some pretty silly things.  Oratorial skill is not proof of a lack of intelligence.  Is Joe Biden an &#8220;idiot&#8221; because he asked a paraplegic man to &#8220;stand up&#8221;?  </p>
<p>The point was that Obama&#8217;s so called intelligence was not a reason to vote for him.  Intelligence can be an asset to a leader; to someone who is a poor leader, all the intelligence in the world will not save him or her.  The fawning over Obama&#8217;s intelligence, to me, smacks of a voter sentiment bent on retribution for the 2000 election.  There is talk that this election has become a referendum on Obama.  I think a significant portion of this election is an angry attempt at retribution for 2000, and an expression of hatred toward Bush&#8230;having nothing to do with either candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11784</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP: "George Bush is intelligent, very intelligent."

JP, I can't believe you really wrote that with a straight face... you failed to ask your own skeptic questions; "Where are the term papers and essays to prove this supposed intelligence? Why haven't they been released? What is GWB trying to hide?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP: &#8220;George Bush is intelligent, very intelligent.&#8221;</p>
<p>JP, I can&#8217;t believe you really wrote that with a straight face&#8230; you failed to ask your own skeptic questions; &#8220;Where are the term papers and essays to prove this supposed intelligence? Why haven&#8217;t they been released? What is GWB trying to hide?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11742</link>
		<author>Tim</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If you assume the press is biased, which most people do, you can’t expect any “objective” news story of their bias; it’s a non-sequitur."  If you want our opinion you'll give it to us?...  "If you assume..."   Who are "most" people?  Where do you get your facts?

If Michael Malone is a "media insider", so am I.  Careful there... 

The only people who whine about the Biased Media are the ones who think they are running second.  

"...he gives a pretty convincing explanation for it, too."  I think not.  Sounds like he's got an axe to grind.  Trust me.

But then again... Where were we all without the song stylings of Michael Malone?  That great American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you assume the press is biased, which most people do, you can’t expect any “objective” news story of their bias; it’s a non-sequitur.&#8221;  If you want our opinion you&#8217;ll give it to us?&#8230;  &#8220;If you assume&#8230;&#8221;   Who are &#8220;most&#8221; people?  Where do you get your facts?</p>
<p>If Michael Malone is a &#8220;media insider&#8221;, so am I.  Careful there&#8230; </p>
<p>The only people who whine about the Biased Media are the ones who think they are running second.  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;he gives a pretty convincing explanation for it, too.&#8221;  I think not.  Sounds like he&#8217;s got an axe to grind.  Trust me.</p>
<p>But then again&#8230; Where were we all without the song stylings of Michael Malone?  That great American.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11702</link>
		<author>JP</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, the point of posting the piece is not the same as what I was talking about in #8.  The point in #8 was that you can't compare an AP wire piece with a Rush Limbaugh opinion; they aren't the same thing.  One is supposed to be biased, the other should never be.

If you assume the press is biased, which most people do, you can't expect any "objective" news story of their bias; it's a non-sequitur.  

The point of that piece is - and I think it's powerful - is that a media insider is confessing that the degree of leftwing bias in this election apalls him.  He is indicting the entire media enterprise, and he gives a pretty convincing explanation for it, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, the point of posting the piece is not the same as what I was talking about in #8.  The point in #8 was that you can&#8217;t compare an AP wire piece with a Rush Limbaugh opinion; they aren&#8217;t the same thing.  One is supposed to be biased, the other should never be.</p>
<p>If you assume the press is biased, which most people do, you can&#8217;t expect any &#8220;objective&#8221; news story of their bias; it&#8217;s a non-sequitur.  </p>
<p>The point of that piece is - and I think it&#8217;s powerful - is that a media insider is confessing that the degree of leftwing bias in this election apalls him.  He is indicting the entire media enterprise, and he gives a pretty convincing explanation for it, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11696</link>
		<author>Tim</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C'mon JP... you chided me about "commentators" in #8 of this thread.  Why do we need to read an opinion piece by Michael Malone?   Shall I start quoting Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd, et al, chapter and verse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon JP&#8230; you chided me about &#8220;commentators&#8221; in #8 of this thread.  Why do we need to read an opinion piece by Michael Malone?   Shall I start quoting Frank Rich, Maureen Dowd, et al, chapter and verse?</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11689</link>
		<author>JP</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who still believes our media is not biased toward candidate Obama:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&#38;page=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who still believes our media is not biased toward candidate Obama:</p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&amp;page=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11687</link>
		<author>Tim</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Isn’t keeping the bank afloat helping everyone who works for the bank?"  Sure.  Why not.  Spread the wealth any way you see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isn’t keeping the bank afloat helping everyone who works for the bank?&#8221;  Sure.  Why not.  Spread the wealth any way you see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11679</link>
		<author>JP</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Access" as defined by what you can afford.  If a Harvard education costs $50k/year, not everyone in the economy will be able to afford it, not everyone will have "access" to it.  Nobody has a "right" to the "same" Harvard education, or a Ramapo Community College education, for that matter.  You have the right to go get whatever education you can afford, using your own resources; your "resources" of course include what you may be able to borrow or earn through charitable grants.  

This is people working in a free system.  It is philosophically different from what Obama and many Democrats have said they've wanted for years: for the government to guarantee a college education (or healthcare or a home) as a "right" for citizens.

It ain't Rush Limbaugh I'm quoting.  It's closer to Ayn Rand.  

How typical to call me a racist.  When did I write anything even implying anything about race?  

Why don't you define 'white' and 'rich' for me?

Who ever said the bank bailout wasn't socialistic?  Did I?  But your whole concept of what they did is off base.  It wasn't a cash swap to "rich bankers."  The government did not raise taxes on the population and then send rebate checks to CEOs of banks and Wall stree firms.  The idea, according to the Treasury secretary, who allegedly is some sort of guru on the great depression, is that you inject capital into the markets so that lending will resume.  The lending is necessary to allow businesses and individuals to get access to funds and keep the economy moving.  Banks employ far more middle class people than they do rich people, Tim.  Isn't keeping the bank afloat helping everyone who works for the bank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Access&#8221; as defined by what you can afford.  If a Harvard education costs $50k/year, not everyone in the economy will be able to afford it, not everyone will have &#8220;access&#8221; to it.  Nobody has a &#8220;right&#8221; to the &#8220;same&#8221; Harvard education, or a Ramapo Community College education, for that matter.  You have the right to go get whatever education you can afford, using your own resources; your &#8220;resources&#8221; of course include what you may be able to borrow or earn through charitable grants.  </p>
<p>This is people working in a free system.  It is philosophically different from what Obama and many Democrats have said they&#8217;ve wanted for years: for the government to guarantee a college education (or healthcare or a home) as a &#8220;right&#8221; for citizens.</p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t Rush Limbaugh I&#8217;m quoting.  It&#8217;s closer to Ayn Rand.  </p>
<p>How typical to call me a racist.  When did I write anything even implying anything about race?  </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you define &#8216;white&#8217; and &#8216;rich&#8217; for me?</p>
<p>Who ever said the bank bailout wasn&#8217;t socialistic?  Did I?  But your whole concept of what they did is off base.  It wasn&#8217;t a cash swap to &#8220;rich bankers.&#8221;  The government did not raise taxes on the population and then send rebate checks to CEOs of banks and Wall stree firms.  The idea, according to the Treasury secretary, who allegedly is some sort of guru on the great depression, is that you inject capital into the markets so that lending will resume.  The lending is necessary to allow businesses and individuals to get access to funds and keep the economy moving.  Banks employ far more middle class people than they do rich people, Tim.  Isn&#8217;t keeping the bank afloat helping everyone who works for the bank?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11667</link>
		<author>Tim</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP, thanks for making my point...   "The only people “getting” money are the government, who take it, and then give it out..."  $700 Billion to the banks.  (they get theirs first, by the way)

"Socialism is one of the most vile, detestable concepts, philosophically, that man has ever created."

And the bankers say, “AMEN!”   Maybe some of that moolah will trickle down to the middle class.

As for your statement... “Freedom and fairness for all” means guaranteeing everyone’s right to live and work productively. It does not mean the right to have the same amount of income as your neighbor, or the same access to a college education, or the same access to healthcare. It is in the best interests of a government to create a society in which all of these things are as affordable and accessible as possible, but extending them the designation of “rights” violates the most fundamental right, the right to life itself." 

You're on your own on this one.  Sounds like something Rush Limbaugh might have said.   I love the, “same access to a college education, or the same access to healthcare..” part.  That’s classic!  Same?  Define “same”.  White?  Rich?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP, thanks for making my point&#8230;   &#8220;The only people “getting” money are the government, who take it, and then give it out&#8230;&#8221;  $700 Billion to the banks.  (they get theirs first, by the way)</p>
<p>&#8220;Socialism is one of the most vile, detestable concepts, philosophically, that man has ever created.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the bankers say, “AMEN!”   Maybe some of that moolah will trickle down to the middle class.</p>
<p>As for your statement&#8230; “Freedom and fairness for all” means guaranteeing everyone’s right to live and work productively. It does not mean the right to have the same amount of income as your neighbor, or the same access to a college education, or the same access to healthcare. It is in the best interests of a government to create a society in which all of these things are as affordable and accessible as possible, but extending them the designation of “rights” violates the most fundamental right, the right to life itself.&#8221; </p>
<p>You&#8217;re on your own on this one.  Sounds like something Rush Limbaugh might have said.   I love the, “same access to a college education, or the same access to healthcare..” part.  That’s classic!  Same?  Define “same”.  White?  Rich?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Zorn</title>
		<link>http://petersagal.com/wordpress/?p=161#comment-11655</link>
		<author>Eric Zorn</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madness? But no!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madness? But no!</p>
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